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		<title>By: Karen Hellekson: Breaking the primacy of print &#171; beyondthejournal.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Hellekson: Breaking the primacy of print &#171; beyondthejournal.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Karen Hellekson</title>
		<link>http://symposium.transformativeworks.org/2010/08/breaking-the-primacy-of-print/comment-page-1/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Hellekson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That irony has not escaped me. We did talk about this when we launched TWC, but we ended up choosing expedience. It&#039;s like the world can only handle ONE major perceived break from best practice (in TWC&#039;s case, online only and OA), and because peer review is such a gold standard, we feared that people simply would not submit. There is also plenty of criticism for the handling of alternative versions of peer review, so alternative modes aren&#039;t all tasty goodness either, transparency notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That irony has not escaped me. We did talk about this when we launched TWC, but we ended up choosing expedience. It&#8217;s like the world can only handle ONE major perceived break from best practice (in TWC&#8217;s case, online only and OA), and because peer review is such a gold standard, we feared that people simply would not submit. There is also plenty of criticism for the handling of alternative versions of peer review, so alternative modes aren&#8217;t all tasty goodness either, transparency notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: cyborganize</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyborganize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tragedy is that this OA online-only journal can only claw some modicum of legitimacy by hanging its hat on double-blind peer review, which is just as &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediacommons.futureofthebook.org/mcpress/plannedobsolescence/one/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;outmoded and bankrupt a system&lt;/a&gt; as print. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tragedy is that this OA online-only journal can only claw some modicum of legitimacy by hanging its hat on double-blind peer review, which is just as <a href="http://mediacommons.futureofthebook.org/mcpress/plannedobsolescence/one/" rel="nofollow">outmoded and bankrupt a system</a> as print. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Hellekson</title>
		<link>http://symposium.transformativeworks.org/2010/08/breaking-the-primacy-of-print/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Hellekson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the point about wikis and blogs: neither are vetted by peers. Both are more like service than like a publication. But it&#039;s also true that both are sites of exchange of knowledge and expertise.

In the sciences, preprints in many fields are acceptable, as is the posting of raw data. But in the social sciences and humanities, preprints are not acceptable, and previous publication in a blog means it can&#039;t be submitted for publication. TWC follows this rule. From my POV, because I am very practical, it&#039;s all about copyright and ownership problems. And of course articles that appear in TWC go through a round or two of revision, and then they are edited. We&#039;d like the final revised, edited version to appear.

I&#039;m hopeful that more researchers will take OA more seriously. However, every agreement that I&#039;ve read that faculty has signed has an opt-out clause, so really it&#039;s just a statement of an ideal and will probably not affect actual behavior. People will still choose where to submit on the basis of prestige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the point about wikis and blogs: neither are vetted by peers. Both are more like service than like a publication. But it&#8217;s also true that both are sites of exchange of knowledge and expertise.</p>
<p>In the sciences, preprints in many fields are acceptable, as is the posting of raw data. But in the social sciences and humanities, preprints are not acceptable, and previous publication in a blog means it can&#8217;t be submitted for publication. TWC follows this rule. From my POV, because I am very practical, it&#8217;s all about copyright and ownership problems. And of course articles that appear in TWC go through a round or two of revision, and then they are edited. We&#8217;d like the final revised, edited version to appear.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hopeful that more researchers will take OA more seriously. However, every agreement that I&#8217;ve read that faculty has signed has an opt-out clause, so really it&#8217;s just a statement of an ideal and will probably not affect actual behavior. People will still choose where to submit on the basis of prestige.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Hellekson</title>
		<link>http://symposium.transformativeworks.org/2010/08/breaking-the-primacy-of-print/comment-page-1/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Hellekson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering how many print journals stop printing, change their format, or are insanely, egregiously behind (I&#039;m a member of an organization whose journal is THREE YEARS behind), I hardly think online journals are unique in these concerns!

We are doing everything right behind the scenes: submitting to indexing, permitting aggregation, and in general making the metadata available via some magic OJS plug-ins. We are doing our best to be library and archive friendly. We also subscribe to the DOI system, so permanence of hotlinks to our essays is important to us; this is actually unusual in the humanities.

I don&#039;t think anybody will confuse TWC with Salon or Slate. The audiences are clearly different, and that&#039;s marked by site design and mode of presentation of data. We signal what TWC is and who it is for by prominently placing the names of editorial board members on our home page. The site is also not date bound (thus not newsy or bloggish), and we don&#039;t feature shiny images or ads. OJS (the software we use) has a distinctive look that isn&#039;t terribly customizable, and that&#039;s another signal that speaks to audience and readership.

Of course misreading of cues is possible. I&#039;d say our content will speak for itself, but I really do think that TWC is not mixing signals and confusingly presenting itself. It&#039;s hard enough appealing to acas and fans both! We want to be rigorous yet accessible, and that is a hard line to walk sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering how many print journals stop printing, change their format, or are insanely, egregiously behind (I&#8217;m a member of an organization whose journal is THREE YEARS behind), I hardly think online journals are unique in these concerns!</p>
<p>We are doing everything right behind the scenes: submitting to indexing, permitting aggregation, and in general making the metadata available via some magic OJS plug-ins. We are doing our best to be library and archive friendly. We also subscribe to the DOI system, so permanence of hotlinks to our essays is important to us; this is actually unusual in the humanities.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anybody will confuse TWC with Salon or Slate. The audiences are clearly different, and that&#8217;s marked by site design and mode of presentation of data. We signal what TWC is and who it is for by prominently placing the names of editorial board members on our home page. The site is also not date bound (thus not newsy or bloggish), and we don&#8217;t feature shiny images or ads. OJS (the software we use) has a distinctive look that isn&#8217;t terribly customizable, and that&#8217;s another signal that speaks to audience and readership.</p>
<p>Of course misreading of cues is possible. I&#8217;d say our content will speak for itself, but I really do think that TWC is not mixing signals and confusingly presenting itself. It&#8217;s hard enough appealing to acas and fans both! We want to be rigorous yet accessible, and that is a hard line to walk sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nele Noppe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nele Noppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes on your remark regarding tenure committees. I&#039;m not sure about other European universities, but the problem with OA in my university is very much in that area. We signed the Berlin Declaration regarding OA access and there&#039;s infrastructure in place for researchers to put their work online, but whether a researcher participates in the OA push or not doesn&#039;t actually matter when it comes to things like promotion and tenure. Those are still decided on the basis of number of publications in high-ranked journals and books written for prestigious publishers, and whether does are OA doesn&#039;t matter in the slightest (wikis, blogs, translations etc don&#039;t count at all). For most researchers here, practicing OA publication requires extra effort that doesn&#039;t come with any &quot;material&quot; rewards attached. Universities should treat OA as a cornerstone of good academic practice, not something that the people on payroll are allowed to engage in on their own time if they feel like it. Doubly so if the research is funded by taxpayer money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes on your remark regarding tenure committees. I&#8217;m not sure about other European universities, but the problem with OA in my university is very much in that area. We signed the Berlin Declaration regarding OA access and there&#8217;s infrastructure in place for researchers to put their work online, but whether a researcher participates in the OA push or not doesn&#8217;t actually matter when it comes to things like promotion and tenure. Those are still decided on the basis of number of publications in high-ranked journals and books written for prestigious publishers, and whether does are OA doesn&#8217;t matter in the slightest (wikis, blogs, translations etc don&#8217;t count at all). For most researchers here, practicing OA publication requires extra effort that doesn&#8217;t come with any &#8220;material&#8221; rewards attached. Universities should treat OA as a cornerstone of good academic practice, not something that the people on payroll are allowed to engage in on their own time if they feel like it. Doubly so if the research is funded by taxpayer money.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikhail Koulikov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikhail Koulikov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely in the areas I&#039;m most involved in (library science and information science in general, and social informatics/legal informatics in particular), I&#039;d say the worm pretty much has already turned: Pre-prints, etc., are a standard practice, and there are plenty of online-only journals that are easily as established as the legacy publications. And for what it&#039;s worth, I also recall seeing the figure that something like 95% of journals now offer online access.

Of course, what this means, though, is that the definition of &#039;scholarly journal&#039; has to be revisited. If it&#039;s no longer necessarily format-based, what exactly differentiates the website TWC from, say, the website Salon or Slate. Of course, editors and authors and librarians may know, but will the average reader necessarily recognize and understand the difference?

Unfortunately, we&#039;ve seen too many online journals come out of the gate, go a couple of issues, and then die off. For what it&#039;s worth, a decision to publish in print or to charge a subscription can be seen as a commitment to stick around for a while. 

My thinking is making TWC truly successful must continue being a joint effort. So far, this journal has been excellent about focusing on what matters in a scholarly journal, and I get the feeling that it&#039;s already built up a fair amount of name recognition in and general good will from academia. For these to continue, though, just as us readers and authors must commit to focusing on the content of scholarly literature, not the format or packaging, the editors have to commit to maintaining a high level of content and making it clear that this is an academic journal in the form of a website, not a website that hosts some articles that happen to include abstracts and footnotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely in the areas I&#8217;m most involved in (library science and information science in general, and social informatics/legal informatics in particular), I&#8217;d say the worm pretty much has already turned: Pre-prints, etc., are a standard practice, and there are plenty of online-only journals that are easily as established as the legacy publications. And for what it&#8217;s worth, I also recall seeing the figure that something like 95% of journals now offer online access.</p>
<p>Of course, what this means, though, is that the definition of &#8217;scholarly journal&#8217; has to be revisited. If it&#8217;s no longer necessarily format-based, what exactly differentiates the website TWC from, say, the website Salon or Slate. Of course, editors and authors and librarians may know, but will the average reader necessarily recognize and understand the difference?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, we&#8217;ve seen too many online journals come out of the gate, go a couple of issues, and then die off. For what it&#8217;s worth, a decision to publish in print or to charge a subscription can be seen as a commitment to stick around for a while. </p>
<p>My thinking is making TWC truly successful must continue being a joint effort. So far, this journal has been excellent about focusing on what matters in a scholarly journal, and I get the feeling that it&#8217;s already built up a fair amount of name recognition in and general good will from academia. For these to continue, though, just as us readers and authors must commit to focusing on the content of scholarly literature, not the format or packaging, the editors have to commit to maintaining a high level of content and making it clear that this is an academic journal in the form of a website, not a website that hosts some articles that happen to include abstracts and footnotes.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Hellekson</title>
		<link>http://symposium.transformativeworks.org/2010/08/breaking-the-primacy-of-print/comment-page-1/#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Hellekson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the &quot;prestige&quot; thing for TWC may also be its newness, not its publishing format: until we publish a few issues, it&#039;s impossible to say how rigorous or good the journal is. That&#039;s one reason we racked up such a fabulous editorial board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the &#8220;prestige&#8221; thing for TWC may also be its newness, not its publishing format: until we publish a few issues, it&#8217;s impossible to say how rigorous or good the journal is. That&#8217;s one reason we racked up such a fabulous editorial board.</p>
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		<title>By: robin anne reid</title>
		<link>http://symposium.transformativeworks.org/2010/08/breaking-the-primacy-of-print/comment-page-1/#comment-534</link>
		<dc:creator>robin anne reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post!  A year or two ago, my university funded my attendance at an Open Access Symposium where the discussion focused on such things as the U.S. federal grants requiring public access to results from grant-funded research, the differences between medical/science and humanities in regard to grants/open access issues, the importance of librarians in this whole issue, and the need for academic departments to take changes into account and change their blind reliance on hard copy only.  It was a fascinating event.

Since many universities, including my own, are state-funded and more legislatures are calling for transparency, open access to research done by faculty at those universities seem imperative despite the very real challenges that are involved (I only understand the tip of the iceberg, I&#039;m fairly sure).

(full disclosure, board member, and co-editor with Sarah Gatson of upcoming Race and Ethnicity in fandom special issue).  

When TWC first began, we&#039;d just had a program review that among other things demanded more publishing at higher prestige journals, so there are real pressures put on faculty/departments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post!  A year or two ago, my university funded my attendance at an Open Access Symposium where the discussion focused on such things as the U.S. federal grants requiring public access to results from grant-funded research, the differences between medical/science and humanities in regard to grants/open access issues, the importance of librarians in this whole issue, and the need for academic departments to take changes into account and change their blind reliance on hard copy only.  It was a fascinating event.</p>
<p>Since many universities, including my own, are state-funded and more legislatures are calling for transparency, open access to research done by faculty at those universities seem imperative despite the very real challenges that are involved (I only understand the tip of the iceberg, I&#8217;m fairly sure).</p>
<p>(full disclosure, board member, and co-editor with Sarah Gatson of upcoming Race and Ethnicity in fandom special issue).  </p>
<p>When TWC first began, we&#8217;d just had a program review that among other things demanded more publishing at higher prestige journals, so there are real pressures put on faculty/departments.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Hellekson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Hellekson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the librarian perspective, Deborah--thanks for writing!

I am following the STM model closely because as it goes, the humanities will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the librarian perspective, Deborah&#8211;thanks for writing!</p>
<p>I am following the STM model closely because as it goes, the humanities will follow.</p>
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